Feb. 24, 2025

0503 Female Led Relationships: The Role of Domestic Discipline

0503 Female Led Relationships: The Role of Domestic Discipline

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In this episode of our podcast, my subbie and I talk about Domestic Discipline With a focus on humor and growth, We have cultivated a space for open dialogue about the often unspoken challenges in partnerships. Our knowledge stems from personal experiences and a genuine fascination with FLR dynamics.

Join us as we navigate the idea of domestic discipline and its role in enhancing communication between partners. The episode is packed with humorous anecdotes and thoughtful strategies for curbing frustration and unlearning old patterns. By embracing accountability and a touch of cheeky physicality, our host offers a fresh perspective on rewriting relationship rules and fostering shared growth.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in spicing up their relationship dynamics with accountability and communication. The insights shared provide practical advice for those grappling with people-pleasing tendencies or struggling to break old patterns. By weaving humor and personal growth into the conversation, the episode offers valuable takeaways for listeners seeking to improve their relationship dynamics through understanding and playful discipline.

Listener Questions:
1. How can domestic discipline improve communication in relationships?
2. What are effective strategies for unlearning old patterns in partnerships?
3. How can humor be integrated into relationship dynamics for personal growth?

Potential Titles:
1. Spicing Up Love: The Role of Domestic Discipline
2. Accountability in Relationships: A Playful Approach
3. Unlearning Patterns: Humor and Growth in Partnerships
4. The Cheeky Art of Relationship Discipline
5. Navigating Relationship Dynamics with Humor and Insight

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Keywords:
domestic discipline, female led relationship dynamics, accountability, communication, people pleaser, personal growth, female led relationship challenges, discipline strategies, humor in relationships, shared growth, female led relationship advice, discipline and play, understanding in partnerships, personal anecdotes, physical touch, relationship rules, partnership growth, podcast insights

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It's kind of obnoxious.

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It is obnoxious.

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Fucking heater works.

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Yeah, it does.

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Are you ready?

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Yep.

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All right, captain One two.

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This podcast is intended for mature audiences only If you are not 18 years of age or older.

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There are thousands of other podcasts you can listen to and you can come back and visit us when you are 18.

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This podcast is meant solely for entertainment.

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We are not licensed doctors, lawyers or therapists.

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We simply have a fascination with the lifestyle and I'd love to share it with you and get your thoughts and opinions.

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Welcome back.

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There it is.

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I'm laying in bed with my subbie.

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Yeah.

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And that wonderful ticking you hear is my fantastic diesel heater keeping us toasty warm.

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I probably could have turned that off while we did this.

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That's fine.

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Ignore the ticking or enjoy it if you enjoy ASMR.

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Yeah, I mean, there is that.

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So this episode is going to be a topic that I have no idea what it is, because Subby here heard something said we've never done an episode on this before, but didn't want to tell me what it of this conversation actually came from the couples meeting last night and I was talking to my good friend Steven.

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So shout out to Steven, Steven, so shout out to Steven and if you're interested in the couples meeting, it used to be the ladies night thing, right.

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I just call it the ladies slash men's group.

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Yeah, ladies, men's group, couples group, whatever Jump over to the old Patreon and check it on out.

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Second Thursday of every month.

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And hey, there's a new thing going on over there, isn't there?

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Oh, yes, the question of the day.

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Yeah, let me rewind a little bit.

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Second Thursday of every month is the group.

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You have to be a member of the $10 tier, correct, and I post the link, and we all get together in the beginning and then we separate the men into the breakout room, the ladies have a chat, and then we bring the boys back.

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Right, they shoo us away and then beckon us back.

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We kick them out and reel them back in, as it should be.

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The question of the day is something that I'm offering to everyone.

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I post it for even the free members to interact, because I want to get to know you so I will post a question and you answer.

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I do see that I got some responses on today's.

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Today was a busy day.

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I was doing interviews and getting jobs and doing all the things.

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So, yep, I have not had a chance to respond, but I intend on doing so in the morning and this act.

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The genesis of that actually came from you, discovering there's a whole gaggle of free members.

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Yes.

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That you weren't necessarily aware of.

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Yeah, I should learn Patreon better, so hey, free Patreon members.

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that don't really get much, but you're there anyways, thank you.

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Yeah, and thanks for interacting the people that have interacted already.

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I appreciate you.

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Yeah, Just to let you know, there's a lot more available at those upper tiers for not very much.

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So there is that.

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Are we done?

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Promoting ourselves?

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Yes, okay, what's the topic?

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I just wanted to cover that.

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Yep, that would be like housekeeping.

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Yeah, Probably put that in for free for real, not for free.

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For free, you'll get that free too.

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I'll put that in for real.

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Okay, I've been thinking about this for a little while off and on, for quite a while off and on, and it sparked because of my conversation with Steven last night.

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Okay, we have not specifically for us talked about.

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Are you ready?

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Fucking, hanging on every word.

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Domestic discipline.

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Yes, we have.

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No, we haven't yes we have, we talked oh.

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No, specifically for us.

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Oh, creating the routine or creating the environment or what that looks like for us.

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Because, because, do you know what sparked it last night?

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What Is that?

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He was talking about Judy keeping track of things right, and he brought up a specific thing where he snapped this is where your idea came from too, isn't it?

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What do you mean?

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The whole idea that we were talking about today in the car.

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What was my idea in the?

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car.

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Oh, for Christ's sakes, stay tuned.

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We'll have this conversation off the microphone, oh, but you will be cued in soon.

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Okay, printing and.

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Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, okay, oh, that's, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, okay, that's ooh.

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Way to kind of peel back the cover of that for a second, something special and new coming soon.

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Yes, okay, so Judy can be tracked.

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Anyways, anyways.

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So he had snapped or barked at her, but it didn't have anything to do with her.

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It had to do with his current irritation with something.

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But regardless, that's not really a defense necessarily.

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So I mean, let's talk in real time.

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Moments ago, just seconds before you walked into our bedroom, I had stepped into a large cold puddle of water with my sock.

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I would have lost my mind.

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I would have burnt the bus down.

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While you wouldn't no, I wouldn't While trying to put something away and I'm over here trying to be helpful and I stepped in this thing and I was very irritated by that, because now I'm basically laying in bed with a cold, wet sock, which I mean, it's really not that bad you could take them off there are people going through far worse than I am right now.

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I will be okay, you know I'm not starving, you know.

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Anywho, he mentioned that and I thought to myself fuck, I do that a lot, and probably too much.

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Where I snap at you, I bark at you or something like that.

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It's uncalled for, thank you Steven.

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What.

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I said thank you Steven.

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Oh yeah, Thank you, steven.

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I said thank you Steven.

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Oh yeah, thank you Steven.

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So I feel like we should implement.

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I'm on board.

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Fuck.

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Yes, it's fuck yes, february.

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Fuck yeah, february.

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That's for everyone.

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We're on the board.

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Yep, fuck.

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Yes, I'm on board with whatever you want to implement.

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I'll implement it.

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Well, I don't have any, you know, specific ideas.

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That's where this conversation is going Live.

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From our bed In real time.

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Let's talk about this.

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I had no idea this was coming either, so this is like a blind react.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting too, because I actually just got an email.

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I have to switch hands because your elbow keeps hitting my arm.

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Sorry.

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Stop, you're taking up the whole fucking bed.

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Okay, just for reference.

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I have one third, she has two thirds.

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That's bullshit.

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Email.

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Yes, I didn't know if you were done whining.

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Oh go ahead, let's hold hands while I call you a whiner.

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Yes, I didn't know if you were done whining.

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Oh, go ahead, let's hold hands while I call you a whiner.

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Yes, a listener emailed and his partner struggles with the spanking Because it's just not a turn on for her, and I don't know specifically what they were using for implements, but there was talk of a brush and there was also talk of him being bent over her knee.

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Now, I think that probably works for some people.

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She felt like it was more work.

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It wasn't a turn on for her.

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Sure.

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And was looking for some suggestions as to what could be done for domestic discipline or maintenance.

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The first thing that came to my mind is I don't know that I would find it a turn-on to have you bent over my knee.

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No.

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I also don't know that I would enjoy what we do as much if it wasn't the flogger or riding crop or other implement of that nature.

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Sure, I don't know that I would enjoy a brush.

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I and okay, I mean I might.

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Now that I'm thinking about it, I very well might.

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It might be a big fuck.

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Yes, I don't things could change.

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Yes, but I offered the suggestion that maybe a different implement and not bending over the knee.

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Okay, yes, yeah, for sure.

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How about a change of mindset over what it actually is?

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Yeah, I think you're going to get faster, you're going to have a faster turnaround by changing the implement.

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Here's where I think the mindset is hard to change.

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For women as we are, you know, nurturers by nature, and especially if you're a mother, it's very hard not to jump back into that motherly role and feel like you're disciplining a child, and those two don't mix.

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You know what?

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I mean you're this is like an intimate thing, right, and I think it's going to be easier to change the implement, not implying that this person used a brush on their children or you know anything like that, but society says I mean, you hear about discipline, you think of going over your knee and spanking with a brush or a belt or whatever, for sure.

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So I agree, changing the mindset is going to be the easiest to separate it, and I think that involves uh well, in our case, specifically, that has involved you offering me different perspectives You've given me different perspectives to look at this.

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Right.

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I also said that I think a game changer for me was you using one of those implements on me one time, and then I was off to the races.

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Yeah.

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Yep, I also mentioned, and then I'll stop so that you can get your thoughts in here.

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I also mentioned that after you did that to me, that one time I think I just had a.

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I'm a very visual person, so in this case I think it just kind of helped me understand.

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I think I was intimidated by how do I do this, what do I?

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What's the right way to do it.

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I was intimidated by how I go about it.

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You kind of did it to me a little bit one time and then I was off to the races.

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And now the second.

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I have a flogger or a riding crop in my hand.

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It's much like when I put a strap on, Like I feel sexy, I feel confident.

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I feel all of the dominance and control, just like it just comes right to the surface, right?

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So you're saying that if, if the wife or the girlfriend?

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Of the couple is having a hard time wrapping her head around it or understanding or whatever.

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To potentially switch roles temporarily.

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To potentially switch roles temporarily, right?

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Well, just like a, you're just physically just kind of switching the role.

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Yeah so that she gets a little taste of it to understand the male side.

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I don't know that.

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I would recommend switching roles for everyone.

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That worked for me.

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I could recommend it I was I would first suggest switching the info, switching the implement.

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Make it something different.

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That you I mean I would never have used a riding crop on one of my children, or and I mean my kids didn't even get spanked.

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So let's be real here.

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Uh, my youngest might have a couple times but switching up the implement can maybe help you differentiate.

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It can get you out of feeling like a mom.

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Sure.

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And I also think that.

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Because you're using an implement that you wouldn't have used on your kid Correct.

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Yes, that's what I'm trying to spit out.

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I understand.

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So it kind of separates it from being something that could be mixed up with.

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Right.

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It makes it harder for your mind to switch over to.

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This is like me disciplining a child, yes, and maybe it gets you out of the mindset that it feels like work or a job.

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Right understandable.

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This should be something enjoyable.

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I mean you should both, and or should you?

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I mean that's also the thing and okay.

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So the implement then is something that is only between you two so it makes it that yep, that makes that special, sure, or intimately between you two.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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I mean, that was that was my suggestion.

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Now, for somebody who knows that spanking is going to be a hard no for them.

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Or maybe you know maintenance things like that.

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It's so hard because we've discussed too before in the past that you know I get really turned on when I beat your ass right.

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If it's a maintenance situation.

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We've had a discussion about the headspace, right Like is your headspace going to be in a place where I'm all turned on?

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Where's your head going to be at?

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Are you going to want to have a play session?

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And I say that with air quotes because I don't know what else to call it.

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Like are you going to feel like being intimate after I've just given you maintenance spankings?

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And I know we've discussed this before.

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I don't know if that podcast is re-uploaded again- but I mean, I would say yes for you.

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I know that answer for everybody, you know I mean different people go into different mindsets.

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These are all things that you have to discuss and I also mentioned that.

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You know, for you and I in the beginning there was probably some topping from the bottom because you were more familiar with all of this and a suggestion that I would offer would be you should set up I mean, we've always solidly said you should have a certain amount of time, either each day or each week, where you sit down and talk about how you each feel like things are going.

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It's like an even playing field and I think that you have gotten good with this.

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Maybe not right away in our relationship, but once the topping from the bottom kind of came up, offering it in a different perspective for me, because you got to know me better, like what would you think, if I kind of put the ball in my court and gave me the control, rather than saying it would be so much better if you did it this way you know what I mean, rather than saying it would be so much better if you did it this way, right, you know what I mean 100%, because I mean, even at the time that I was topping from the bottom, I didn't know that that's what it was Right, I didn't know that I was doing that necessarily.

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So once that was, you know, it hit me like a brick wall, like, oh wait, okay, wait a minute.

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That's not how this goes.

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Let's rewind a little bit and talk about what you think we should implement when you get snappy McSnapperton.

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Okay.

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I mean we've had a lot on our.

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Let me just say this though I mean, like you kind of get a free pass for the last couple weeks, and I say kind of we have had a lot on our plate.

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I say kind of yeah, we have had a lot on our plate.

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There's been a lot to figure out in getting back and getting situated and, you know, making sure that the bus is going to be warm enough for us to be in negative temperatures.

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Yeah Right, there's been some challenges and stuff.

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However, but you haven't been overly snappy in the last couple weeks.

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Prior to that, though, I could 100% see what you're talking about, right?

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Right, the last couple weeks.

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No, prior to that, though I could 100, see what you're talking about, right, right, so overall, I feel like I might be wrong overall I feel like I treat you pretty good.

00:17:21.127 --> 00:17:21.910
I treat you as you should be treated.

00:17:21.930 --> 00:17:22.451
Are you waiting for I?

00:17:22.471 --> 00:17:23.714
I would agree with that do you need?

00:17:23.734 --> 00:17:24.477
Some confirmation.

00:17:24.959 --> 00:17:31.244
I don't know I don't know how you feel about that, but it's my intention to anyways.

00:17:33.696 --> 00:17:38.787
And you know that has its seasons or its it ebbs and flows.

00:17:38.826 --> 00:17:39.828
Ebbs and flows right.

00:17:40.335 --> 00:17:41.801
There's a lot of contributing factors.

00:17:41.974 --> 00:17:48.625
There's sometimes when I'm more conscious of it than others, but overall, it's my nature to open the door for you.

00:17:48.746 --> 00:17:49.106
I would agree.

00:17:49.555 --> 00:17:54.863
You know that's a small example, but I mean along those lines.

00:17:54.982 --> 00:18:15.616
Okay, but I do have, you know, my dad's snappy McSnapperton tendencies in me at times and it's not really called for you know, but it just happens.

00:18:15.637 --> 00:18:49.489
Let me just say the only disadvantage in our specific situation to you having a little bit of your dad's snappiness is that I have had past relationships where I was not treated well and I am a huge people pleaser and when I am reprimanded sometimes and it's not even like you're reprimanding me, but you when you snap at me like that, I just shut down and it's never productive, right.

00:18:49.588 --> 00:18:50.009
Like.

00:18:50.190 --> 00:19:00.619
I have to work on how I receive that as well, because, like I know, I know you well enough to know it's not me, you're not irritated with me.

00:19:01.622 --> 00:19:01.842
Right.

00:19:02.021 --> 00:19:04.425
I mean, I'm sure I do things that annoy the shit out of you.

00:19:05.667 --> 00:19:09.836
No Okay, but no Okay.

00:19:09.997 --> 00:19:15.943
Honestly, sometimes I will get frustrated with you when you cancel yourself out.

00:19:15.983 --> 00:19:19.406
And I do that a lot, yes, that's frustrating.

00:19:20.147 --> 00:19:23.010
And sometimes I'm not even really doing that but, you feel like I am?

00:19:26.086 --> 00:19:29.458
Yeah, but it's not.

00:19:29.478 --> 00:19:29.858
I'm not like.

00:19:29.878 --> 00:19:31.944
I'm frustrated that you don't give yourself a chance.

00:19:32.085 --> 00:19:32.527
I'm hard.

00:19:33.195 --> 00:19:34.078
You're hard on yourself.

00:19:34.220 --> 00:19:35.123
I am hard on myself.

00:19:35.255 --> 00:19:48.642
It's hard to be married to me in that aspect, because I think that I have all this potential to do things and I get in my own head and just fuck myself out of them.

00:19:48.782 --> 00:19:49.605
Yep, and then nothing happens.

00:19:49.795 --> 00:19:58.548
And it has to be very hard for you from the outside to see that in me, and then me just shit it away.

00:19:58.789 --> 00:20:01.843
Yep, so I get that, I recognize it.

00:20:01.914 --> 00:20:04.143
I mean, the first step is recognition, right?

00:20:04.202 --> 00:20:05.881
Yep, so I mean progress.

00:20:06.055 --> 00:20:06.748
And then the next step is recognition right, yep, so I mean progress.

00:20:06.663 --> 00:20:12.128
And then the next step is action, and I believe personal growth was actually one about something about personal growth.

00:20:13.758 --> 00:20:16.945
Something about personal growth was in the daily question today.

00:20:17.626 --> 00:20:17.788
Yep.

00:20:18.916 --> 00:20:22.006
We have come a long way from when we started this.

00:20:22.595 --> 00:20:32.856
Right this right like we were probably way more active in different areas, but we, our relationship, has grown a ton.

00:20:33.557 --> 00:20:35.281
I think our relationship is stronger.

00:20:36.284 --> 00:20:41.663
I mean, I don't I still have yet to wish to put a pillow over your face and make you stop breathing air.

00:20:41.883 --> 00:20:49.066
So and we are around each other 24 7 pretty much since we've been back to min, we aren't together as much and that's weird.

00:20:49.154 --> 00:20:51.103
That kind of fucks with me a little bit too, yeah.

00:20:54.476 --> 00:20:57.826
So all the way back to the conversation, right?

00:20:59.455 --> 00:21:00.800
So what is the what?

00:21:01.142 --> 00:21:02.837
Okay, so the what is?

00:21:04.221 --> 00:21:08.001
I don't want to be snapping at you, I don't want to do that.

00:21:08.715 --> 00:21:24.003
I hate when I do that, right, Okay, and you may look at this as a flogging or cropping.

00:21:24.544 --> 00:21:39.836
Would be a, a um, a treat for me right um, but let me tell you, when it's hard enough, it's no longer a treat yeah, that was something that was hard for me to comprehend too.

00:21:39.855 --> 00:21:43.403
That right, you don't necessarily like the pain of it right.

00:21:45.287 --> 00:21:58.950
Here's the other thing, and this comes this circles back to what you were just saying by changing the implement now, just for us in an opposite way whoop your ass with a belt.

00:21:59.296 --> 00:22:16.365
Yes, because then that is different than our playtime stuff, right, yep, but equally and, I would argue, more powerful than the playtime.

00:22:17.688 --> 00:22:18.209
You know what I mean.

00:22:20.076 --> 00:22:23.526
So for us, maybe, that is the implement of choice for that specific thing.

00:22:25.218 --> 00:22:26.866
But the thing you have to be careful with too.

00:22:26.907 --> 00:22:29.339
You know, everybody always says you should never do this out of anger.

00:22:30.715 --> 00:22:32.182
No, it's not out of anger.

00:22:32.375 --> 00:22:43.119
Yeah, I don't know that I've ever, I mean I have been frustrated, but I don't know that I really Right, it's not out of anger, it's out of teaching.

00:22:43.381 --> 00:22:43.701
Yeah.

00:22:44.243 --> 00:22:46.178
Right, it's out of teaching.

00:22:46.198 --> 00:22:47.502
Yeah Right, it's out of discipline.

00:22:47.522 --> 00:22:47.844
Mm-hmm.

00:22:48.606 --> 00:22:54.365
Okay, Now a hypothetical land.

00:22:54.846 --> 00:22:55.647
Mm, I like it there.

00:22:55.914 --> 00:22:57.252
Well, kind of Mm-hmm.

00:22:57.736 --> 00:23:08.005
You know you then, and this is where the work part comes in right Mm-hmm, but maybe there are mechanisms that makes it really easy okay okay.

00:23:08.787 --> 00:24:02.588
So maybe even in the moment, right when, when I'm not looking, or even right in front of me or whatever, you have a note going in your phone where you just do a quick voice to text, right, and you keep track of the moments throughout the week, right, you can review them when it's time to have the session, which I hate, that word I know, but there really isn't a better word for it that you're right, the exchange, the whatever I guess you call that, what you call that you review them and then there's a certain amount per thing, because then you could remember back to what that was and how that affected you, what I did you know what I mean.

00:24:02.674 --> 00:24:14.550
Now I would argue oh, go ahead I'm like throwing down a little bit of potential framework for this Sure Go ahead.

00:24:14.976 --> 00:24:17.904
I generally let things go pretty quickly.

00:24:18.105 --> 00:24:18.405
Right.

00:24:18.996 --> 00:24:26.103
So it'd be hard for me, I think, to revisit Now one thing that here's what has crossed my mind.

00:24:27.335 --> 00:24:34.828
I mean sometimes when you get sassy with me or whatever, sassy, Sassy, sassy Spicy.

00:24:35.028 --> 00:24:35.349
Whatever?

00:24:36.355 --> 00:24:44.084
I just and I've done this to you and it has brought you to your knees, but I just want to grab your fucking balls and squeeze them.

00:24:44.255 --> 00:24:46.182
I was going to say, punch me in the dick.

00:24:46.315 --> 00:24:47.306
I would also like to punch you in the dick, but I really like to just your fucking balls and squeeze them.

00:24:47.260 --> 00:24:47.551
I was going to say, punch me in the dick.

00:24:47.507 --> 00:24:55.941
I would also like to punch you in the dick, but I really like to just grab the balls, squeeze and twist Like I can't even say that without gritting my teeth, okay, and that's like in the moment.

00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:56.281
You know what?

00:24:56.301 --> 00:24:57.398
I mean, that's something that I can do.

00:24:57.578 --> 00:25:09.747
Right then, right Provided, we're not you know, in the correct environment, in the correct environment.

00:25:09.767 --> 00:25:10.871
you absolutely can do that, yeah.

00:25:10.891 --> 00:25:11.432
Right.

00:25:13.474 --> 00:25:14.215
I mean that's one way to go about it.

00:25:14.236 --> 00:25:17.259
It certainly is, and it would be a great experiment.

00:25:17.299 --> 00:25:23.867
I think because I'm so like ingrained in the way I do things right.

00:25:24.327 --> 00:25:26.211
And this would be a disruption to that.

00:25:28.775 --> 00:25:31.055
Like I can say that now in a clear mind and not frustrated and whatever.

00:25:31.674 --> 00:25:39.625
And in the moment I'm frustrated, I'm pissed off about something or whatever, and you, out of the blue, grab me in the sack, yep.

00:25:41.155 --> 00:25:42.382
That would be a disruption.

00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:46.806
It would break your thought process or bring you back to reality.

00:25:47.509 --> 00:25:52.468
Interesting, I got a question also about do I think that you are more?

00:25:52.788 --> 00:25:57.961
I don't know if this was exactly how it was worded, but if I thought you were more well behaved, caged or uncaged?

00:26:00.045 --> 00:26:06.417
By and large, I would say that you are equally obedient, caged or not caged.

00:26:07.077 --> 00:26:15.664
However, now the circumstances were entirely different when you were caged more regularly, right Like we didn't have all of these different factors going on.

00:26:16.486 --> 00:26:21.490
So life was different when you were more regularly caged, and I will tell you what.

00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:22.990
It sure was.

00:26:23.070 --> 00:26:24.912
My first fucking paycheck titanium.

00:26:30.434 --> 00:26:32.161
Anyway, that's not even true, but that's a lie.

00:26:32.181 --> 00:26:35.794
Uh, it might be through one of the new places that you've stumbled across.

00:26:35.953 --> 00:26:40.266
Anyways or, you know, we could go with the option that have been.

00:26:42.155 --> 00:26:43.817
Somebody said we should start a gofundundMe.

00:26:44.038 --> 00:26:45.358
It would be filled quite quickly.

00:26:45.538 --> 00:26:45.699
Yeah.

00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:47.681
I don't know.

00:26:48.060 --> 00:26:49.321
Anyway, that makes me giggle.

00:26:49.521 --> 00:27:00.269
Yeah, I think the weight of the cage may also have something to do with you, and I don't know that that would last.

00:27:00.730 --> 00:27:10.798
I mean that cage, the weight is always there, mm-hmm, but between the weight of the cage and being able to see the key around my neck, Yep, it's significant.

00:27:10.959 --> 00:27:17.267
Yeah, I mean there's visual signs, and I do love grabbing your balls when they're caged.

00:27:17.426 --> 00:27:19.671
I can't say it without grinding my teeth.

00:27:19.711 --> 00:27:19.931
I know.

00:27:20.615 --> 00:27:26.314
Oh, I just want to be so mean to your balls, I know.

00:27:26.654 --> 00:27:31.708
Sorry, I would say yes, please, I was daydreaming, yeah, night dreaming, whatever.

00:27:32.714 --> 00:27:48.926
If you hear him grunt, I can't promise I didn't punch him in the wiener Yep, the wiener Yep, so I think I mean I'm not saying that a cage solves all the problems, but I do think that it that a cage solves all the problems, but I do think that it heightens your awareness of your behavior.

00:27:49.896 --> 00:27:58.847
It does, and I'll tell you, though, that a cage does not always deter me from the snappy mix.

00:27:58.988 --> 00:28:00.470
Oh, a hundred percent, you know.

00:28:01.935 --> 00:28:04.986
So yeah.

00:28:05.836 --> 00:28:08.977
I mean, nobody's perfect, and all of this to be said.

00:28:10.057 --> 00:28:12.580
You know even the discipline aspect.

00:28:13.701 --> 00:28:30.866
Like a comment was made about spanking, making someone look at their partner as less of a man, I totally, 100% get where that's coming from.

00:28:30.906 --> 00:28:31.147
Yeah.

00:28:31.955 --> 00:28:34.684
I have never thought of you as less of a man.

00:28:36.238 --> 00:28:48.005
I have always I mean I have always been of the mindset that when you choose to be submissive, or when you are submissive by nature, that takes an enormous amount of strength.

00:28:49.478 --> 00:28:50.159
It does not.

00:28:50.220 --> 00:28:55.349
You cannot be a weak man, no, and be submissive I just.

00:28:55.451 --> 00:28:57.474
The two do not go together.

00:28:58.217 --> 00:29:09.281
There's a lot that you sacrifice to be submissive and I'm not saying that you're sacrificing, like your own happiness for it, because you do derive happiness from being correct, submissive.

00:29:09.301 --> 00:29:11.970
Correct, but weak is never anything.

00:29:12.089 --> 00:29:25.903
I have associated with you, whether you are on all fours in front of me and I am just fucking going to town on your ass with a riding crop or a flogger you.

00:29:25.923 --> 00:29:30.690
Okay, there Is it getting hotter in here, my goodness Anyway.

00:29:30.970 --> 00:29:31.151
Yeah.

00:29:32.036 --> 00:29:34.844
I just I think that that needs to be pointed out.

00:29:34.864 --> 00:29:47.029
Mm-hmm, I understand where that perspective comes from, because society tends to portray that needing discipline as a weakness.

00:29:47.836 --> 00:29:49.963
I think Maybe I'm way off on that.

00:29:52.159 --> 00:29:53.864
Did you just agree that I'm way off on that?

00:29:54.224 --> 00:29:54.807
Are you listening?

00:29:55.055 --> 00:29:59.576
Yep, I'm just letting you talk.

00:30:01.281 --> 00:30:02.285
I'm rambling now.

00:30:02.325 --> 00:30:04.000
I don't know where I was going with that one.

00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:11.384
I guess I've never thought of you as weak and I've never, thought of a submissive man as being weak.

00:30:14.135 --> 00:30:17.526
I get excited when I think about you on all fours while I'm whooping your ass, yep.

00:30:18.275 --> 00:30:19.741
And then my train of thought goes bye-bye.

00:30:19.894 --> 00:30:22.163
Did we discuss what you wanted to discuss?

00:30:22.282 --> 00:30:22.944
I think so.

00:30:23.876 --> 00:30:36.676
I mean Like we did not have a specific framework discussion about what this would look like for us on a weekly basis to implement this within our relationship we?

00:30:36.758 --> 00:30:38.320
well, we still don't have an answer for that.

00:30:38.501 --> 00:30:40.046
I don't know exactly I kind of.

00:30:40.306 --> 00:30:41.757
I kind of threw something out.

00:30:41.777 --> 00:30:52.730
The belt yeah, okay, the belt is potentially the implement, because that would make the most sense right for me.

00:30:53.304 --> 00:31:01.981
Specifically um the keeping track, Yep.

00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:09.299
You know, because in the moment you might not remember all the things because you do move past them quickly.

00:31:10.290 --> 00:31:13.701
But I don't want you to have to move past those quickly, right, mm-hmm?

00:31:14.029 --> 00:31:20.778
Because you know those things add up.

00:31:21.058 --> 00:31:21.319
Mm-hmm.

00:31:22.282 --> 00:31:24.308
Right, subconsciously those things add up, mm-hmm.

00:31:24.430 --> 00:31:26.135
Right, subconsciously those things add up.

00:31:26.871 --> 00:31:30.538
If I'm going to keep track of the bad, should I not keep track of the good also?

00:31:32.190 --> 00:31:32.391
Like?

00:31:32.632 --> 00:31:33.394
You know what I mean.

00:31:33.776 --> 00:31:33.936
Like.

00:31:35.313 --> 00:31:37.420
Well, I mean, which way would that lean then?

00:31:37.970 --> 00:31:39.776
I mean depends.

00:31:39.996 --> 00:31:40.858
I'm pretty confident.

00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:41.641
Are you?

00:31:41.891 --> 00:31:42.131
Yep.

00:31:43.315 --> 00:31:44.640
I mean, we'll see what the week brings.

00:31:45.829 --> 00:31:50.500
Oh, okay, okay, so what if you did this then?

00:31:50.859 --> 00:31:51.382
Oh, tell me.

00:31:51.642 --> 00:31:56.632
What if you did like a plus and minus system?

00:31:57.192 --> 00:31:59.472
right, you start out at 50 and I can.

00:32:00.212 --> 00:32:01.093
No, you can.

00:32:01.192 --> 00:32:03.614
We can start out at zero, right?

00:32:04.153 --> 00:32:07.395
And if there's a plus, you get, I get a plus, right?

00:32:07.435 --> 00:32:09.016
If there's a minus, I get a minus.

00:32:09.916 --> 00:32:15.338
Now, if there are more minuses than pluses, obviously I've gone to the wrong side.

00:32:17.318 --> 00:32:27.963
Gone to the dark side, right Come back Right, so I've there would be like a net minus for the week that I did not do a good job.

00:32:28.523 --> 00:32:30.964
Now do you think that I like that idea?

00:32:31.025 --> 00:32:33.726
Because then I don't necessarily need to keep track of specifics?

00:32:33.806 --> 00:32:34.145
Right.

00:32:34.826 --> 00:32:39.548
But do you think you're going to want to know specifics so that you can improve behavior?

00:32:39.988 --> 00:32:40.887
Would that be important?

00:32:43.830 --> 00:32:44.632
Okay, so that's valid.

00:32:44.652 --> 00:32:44.873
Yeah, valid.

00:32:44.913 --> 00:32:45.653
Yeah, because I'm just brainstorming.

00:32:45.775 --> 00:32:48.641
I would need to understand what I did wrong.

00:32:48.661 --> 00:32:57.932
Yep, even though I mean, even though I'm even in the moment or shortly after the moment, I'm aware of what I did wrong.

00:32:58.653 --> 00:33:06.934
I I honestly don't go through a moment of when I've snapped at you or whatever, where I just move on.

00:33:07.596 --> 00:33:15.113
I'm fucking hyper dissecting what just happened so that I don't do it again, but I end up doing it again.

00:33:16.415 --> 00:33:17.077
Well, you're human.

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.344
Right, so maybe knowing what it was exactly Right.

00:33:19.364 --> 00:33:21.608
So maybe knowing what it was exactly.

00:33:22.250 --> 00:33:22.329
Yeah.

00:33:23.692 --> 00:33:24.031
I don't know.

00:33:24.071 --> 00:33:25.273
That's a great question, you know.

00:33:25.314 --> 00:33:30.881
I mean, do I just make a quick voice memo and am I going to have a phone full of voice memos about?

00:33:30.980 --> 00:33:31.561
Ryan did that.

00:33:32.002 --> 00:33:32.624
Well, you would do it.

00:33:32.643 --> 00:33:33.304
Sebby did this.

00:33:33.444 --> 00:33:34.266
Do it in a note.

00:33:34.405 --> 00:33:45.644
Yeah, and just a quick voice to text Like you know, Tuesday afternoon, afternoon, blah, blah, blah, whatever it was.

00:33:48.574 --> 00:33:50.958
Just a couple keywords about what it was or whatever.

00:33:51.317 --> 00:33:57.372
Like, um, uh, like filling the tanks or something I don't know.

00:33:57.853 --> 00:33:59.777
Okay, like just something, just something like.

00:33:59.856 --> 00:34:00.898
Okay, that was the conversation.

00:34:00.919 --> 00:34:05.555
Oh yeah, you get really fucking snappy when you're filling those diesel tanks, oh yeah.

00:34:06.551 --> 00:34:07.375
I like that idea.

00:34:08.798 --> 00:34:09.079
Yeah.

00:34:09.849 --> 00:34:11.574
I mean stay tuned to see what we implement.

00:34:14.501 --> 00:34:20.802
And as of the recording of this, let's start with tomorrow.

00:34:22.530 --> 00:34:26.775
Because there's no better day than today, right Tomorrow, I mean we're going to bed now.

00:34:26.954 --> 00:34:33.880
Yeah, so we'll start with a new day tomorrow and we'll have the weekend to give it like a test run.

00:34:34.561 --> 00:34:36.596
Right and we can do a Sunday.

00:34:38.130 --> 00:34:43.460
And maybe Sunday night is our thing, or a campy night because Junior's around.

00:34:43.590 --> 00:34:48.789
It'll have to be Sunday morning or Monday morning or something like that.

00:34:48.889 --> 00:34:50.539
Even early afternoon seems to work.

00:34:51.304 --> 00:34:53.876
No, I'm just kidding, he should not sleep that long.

00:34:58.630 --> 00:35:02.922
Logistically, we'll have to figure out how that looks in our small room.

00:35:03.311 --> 00:35:04.112
I mean, we have a room.

00:35:04.454 --> 00:35:05.356
I have a riding crop.

00:35:05.677 --> 00:35:06.139
With a door.

00:35:06.871 --> 00:35:08.034
I mean I have belts too.

00:35:08.375 --> 00:35:09.737
Oh yeah, I have one of those also.

00:35:09.818 --> 00:35:11.121
Yeah so.

00:35:14.990 --> 00:35:15.815
Let's see what happens.

00:35:16.630 --> 00:35:17.554
Let's give it a try.

00:35:18.092 --> 00:35:18.894
I would really like.

00:35:19.969 --> 00:35:22.117
Let's be intentional For us to try that, mm-hmm.

00:35:24.451 --> 00:35:37.748
If anybody has any suggestions that they would like to offer us on starting our very own structured domestic discipline or maintenance, or whatever we would like to call it.

00:35:37.967 --> 00:35:38.088
Mm-hmm.

00:35:38.190 --> 00:35:39.476
You know how we are about labels.

00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:40.141
Mm-hmm.

00:35:41.831 --> 00:35:42.434
Send me an email.

00:35:43.297 --> 00:35:43.538
Yeah.

00:35:44.690 --> 00:35:47.599
And we'll do an update whenever we do an update.

00:35:50.751 --> 00:35:52.458
I can't wait to tell them about the thing.

00:35:54.231 --> 00:35:55.356
Are you trying to create more hype?

00:35:56.612 --> 00:35:58.335
I'm very excited about the thing.

00:35:58.896 --> 00:36:05.422
I would be interested in knowing people's thoughts, specifically men who are looking for key holders.

00:36:06.851 --> 00:36:08.898
Okay, that's a thing you can talk about, actually.

00:36:08.998 --> 00:36:10.552
Yeah, I am.

00:36:11.610 --> 00:36:12.474
Not that I'm going to.

00:36:12.675 --> 00:36:13.539
This is happening.

00:36:14.130 --> 00:36:16.940
Well, it will happen, yeah, but is there an interest?

00:36:17.030 --> 00:36:19.257
Like I would only do it for five people?

00:36:19.498 --> 00:36:29.260
Yep, and then those same five people until somebody decides they don't want to participate any longer, and then I would have a waiting list?

00:36:30.871 --> 00:36:36.213
I don't want to overwhelm myself and I only have one neck.

00:36:37.014 --> 00:36:48.467
I would be interested in what your thoughts are on a remote key holding situation with Miss Christine.

00:36:50.331 --> 00:36:52.989
You're like my thoughts or what the listeners thought.

00:36:53.050 --> 00:36:55.498
The listener and what I mean, I know your thoughts.

00:36:55.650 --> 00:36:58.038
You're like fuck yes, because it's fuck yeah February.

00:36:58.157 --> 00:37:03.802
So yeah, well, I mean, it's something you want to do and I want you to do the things you want to do.

00:37:04.469 --> 00:37:07.358
I mean, if I can't wear Yorkie, I might as well wear somebody else's right.

00:37:07.398 --> 00:37:10.230
There's that, and mine will join soon enough.

00:37:10.289 --> 00:37:11.436
Fucking A right at will.

00:37:13.610 --> 00:37:17.739
Okay, so then we were talking there would be like a three-month commitment.

00:37:20.063 --> 00:37:21.393
Right, that was in the discussion.

00:37:21.454 --> 00:37:21.876
Yes, Yep.

00:37:25.409 --> 00:37:27.072
And then then okay, but then what is that number?

00:37:27.092 --> 00:37:34.074
I, I don't know, I don't know the number yet I have not decided on the number right as far as the monthly yes, and I'm not doing.

00:37:34.474 --> 00:37:35.898
You know patreon has tiers.

00:37:36.077 --> 00:37:37.240
I'm not doing tiers.

00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:38.402
It's one flat fee.

00:37:39.032 --> 00:37:45.028
You get yep, what I determine yep, and you sign on for three months.

00:37:45.088 --> 00:37:47.134
Now, does that mean you're locked for three months?

00:37:47.394 --> 00:37:54.413
No, but you are committed to me being your key holder for three months right is that too long would you prefer a month.

00:37:54.693 --> 00:37:56.914
You know what I mean like that.

00:37:56.994 --> 00:38:09.164
Now we had also talked about the potential of having like a trial week.

00:38:09.746 --> 00:38:13.476
Mm-hmm, like one week, mm-hmm, you can try it for a week to see if you like it, right?

00:38:13.496 --> 00:38:28.797
Mm-hmm, and if it's something you can envision yourself going three months for great, you know, mm-hmm, that way you're not locked in, but at the same time there still has to be some skin in the game for it.

00:38:29.818 --> 00:38:36.827
Yep, you know, correct, because you can't be holding, you know, 50 keys and I'm taking up all this time and five is my max.

00:38:37.027 --> 00:38:42.041
I'm only doing five, right okay 50 would be so heavy on my neck.

00:38:42.329 --> 00:38:46.597
How fucking cool would that be, though I'd have to do a photo shoot.

00:38:47.130 --> 00:38:48.273
That'd be a big necklace.

00:38:48.594 --> 00:38:50.380
Yep, that'd be fucking cool.

00:38:50.891 --> 00:38:51.875
You'd have all the bling.

00:38:52.356 --> 00:38:55.378
I would I'd be cage blinging.

00:38:55.579 --> 00:38:55.820
Mm-hmm.

00:38:57.891 --> 00:39:01.592
That's just a thought that we're thinking of, I'm interested in doing, but I need to know.

00:39:01.612 --> 00:39:03.496
That's just a thought that we're thinking of, I'm interested in doing, but I need to know.

00:39:03.516 --> 00:39:04.960
Yep, I don't need to know, I just am curious.

00:39:05.059 --> 00:39:07.483
I'm putting it out there Yep, what are your thoughts on it?

00:39:09.775 --> 00:39:10.918
Yep, is that it?

00:39:11.018 --> 00:39:11.599
Are we all done?

00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:13.052
I think so, and nothing else.

00:39:13.074 --> 00:39:16.277
If that's something that interests you, absolutely send her an email please.

00:39:16.449 --> 00:39:17.490
Yeah, we can discuss it.

00:39:17.751 --> 00:39:19.413
Discuss it, Right what?

00:39:19.492 --> 00:39:21.954
I would think that what I want the terms to be.

00:39:22.215 --> 00:39:24.077
Right, we're adults in this situation.

00:39:24.157 --> 00:39:26.539
So you know, don't hide behind a bush.

00:39:27.019 --> 00:39:30.983
Or you said bush, you know you know what I'm saying though Don't linger.

00:39:31.083 --> 00:39:32.545
Don't lurk, please.

00:39:32.786 --> 00:39:33.666
An email is free.

00:39:34.269 --> 00:39:36.898
You got a burner email anyways, use that.

00:39:37.210 --> 00:39:44.376
Well, and confidentiality is very important to me, I'm not going to like when we talk about Steve and Judy, Steve and Judy know we're talking about them, right?

00:39:44.876 --> 00:39:45.217
I don't.

00:39:45.456 --> 00:39:53.164
I wouldn't use your name or I mean, unless you want me to on the podcast and I mean to be honest, is that even their real name?

00:39:53.885 --> 00:39:54.405
We don't know?

00:39:54.625 --> 00:39:56.646
Right, we don't really know.

00:39:58.849 --> 00:40:00.534
I haven't seen his driver's license.

00:40:00.554 --> 00:40:03.362
Steve and Judy, next time we get together I'm going to need some proof of ID.

00:40:04.469 --> 00:40:13.396
Could you quickly send me a picture with a newspaper with today's date, If that's your real name?

00:40:13.989 --> 00:40:15.695
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, we don't know.

00:40:16.297 --> 00:40:17.179
I'll give you a coupon.

00:40:19.771 --> 00:40:20.813
This is all ridiculous.

00:40:21.175 --> 00:40:21.777
Ridiculous.

00:40:22.257 --> 00:40:23.101
It's all speculating.

00:40:23.190 --> 00:40:25.018
I'm going to have to speculate on this for a while.

00:40:27.490 --> 00:40:29.418
I don't even know what the fuck we were talking about.

00:40:29.530 --> 00:40:30.434
Welcome to the cast.

00:40:30.454 --> 00:40:31.177
That is our bedroom.

00:40:31.309 --> 00:40:32.514
Ooh, that sounds hot, doesn't it?

00:40:32.576 --> 00:40:36.657
Yep, no, we were just talking about emailing.

00:40:37.099 --> 00:40:39.757
Yes, email me and confidentiality is obviously Yep, 100%.

00:40:39.777 --> 00:40:41.989
I'm not going to out you me and confidentiality is obviously 100%.

00:40:42.130 --> 00:40:44.481
I'm not going to out you, nope.

00:40:46.434 --> 00:40:47.597
And I'm pretty easy to talk to.

00:40:47.637 --> 00:40:48.259
I like to think.

00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:57.405
Absolutely, and so this situation would be specifically between you, the caged, and Miss Christine the holder.

00:40:57.871 --> 00:40:59.009
There is no third party.

00:40:59.231 --> 00:41:00.550
There is no, nope.

00:41:00.670 --> 00:41:02.657
It's specifically between you, you.

00:41:02.697 --> 00:41:12.775
You don't have to go through some dumbass website, right, there's no dumbass website someday I might have one of those dumbass websites remind us of that comment.

00:41:12.956 --> 00:41:14.539
No, but, but I mean like correct.

00:41:14.619 --> 00:41:17.713
This is more that's not a service, right?

00:41:17.733 --> 00:41:20.518
that's why yeah that's why I only want to do five.

00:41:20.759 --> 00:41:20.960
Right.

00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:21.199
One.

00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:22.561
I don't want to overwhelm myself.

00:41:22.621 --> 00:41:23.684
Because it's personal.

00:41:23.804 --> 00:41:26.394
Yes, I want to be able to offer one-on-one.

00:41:27.237 --> 00:41:29.362
Right, so that's what we're getting at.

00:41:29.422 --> 00:41:36.932
Yes, I care about engaging with you on a personal level, yep, like I'm not just trying to make a buck, however Correct.

00:41:36.952 --> 00:41:37.413
While Correct.

00:41:38.172 --> 00:41:45.159
While I enjoy the engagement and the connection, I also do want to get paid for my time, because it's valuable.

00:41:45.398 --> 00:41:50.402
So that's where we're at, and maybe at some point we'll get the.

00:41:51.023 --> 00:41:55.226
I mean, this is a preview of what In Bed with Miss Christine and her subbie is like.

00:41:55.306 --> 00:41:56.887
Yes, there's talk of that as well.

00:42:03.849 --> 00:42:09.777
Our episodes will be like this, probably for the short future.

00:42:09.797 --> 00:42:10.838
I mean, at least we're not walking.

00:42:11.398 --> 00:42:15.443
Right, because we're not walking, and I'm sure some people are thankful for that.

00:42:15.563 --> 00:42:16.844
I know it was ridiculous.

00:42:19.929 --> 00:42:22.096
Much easier for me to think when I'm not trying to exercise.

00:42:22.115 --> 00:42:23.139
I think that wraps this up.

00:42:23.298 --> 00:42:29.719
Yep, I hope you enjoyed being in bed with us.

00:42:29.739 --> 00:42:30.681
I can't help it, you can't not do it.

00:42:30.702 --> 00:42:31.826
I can't, I can't not do it.

00:42:32.449 --> 00:42:33.835
I love my porn voice.

00:42:34.931 --> 00:42:38.440
If you like my porn voice, listen to my Erotic Stories podcast.

00:42:38.550 --> 00:42:39.574
Oh, yes, you could do that.

00:42:40.797 --> 00:42:41.418
You're welcome.

00:42:41.539 --> 00:42:41.679
Yep.

00:42:43.451 --> 00:42:44.876
Also putting out new episodes.

00:42:45.518 --> 00:42:49.478
Mm-hmm and burning it up too, Doing really well.

00:42:49.778 --> 00:42:49.920
Yep.

00:42:50.891 --> 00:42:52.195
Too bad, it can't pay for itself.

00:42:54.731 --> 00:42:56.036
I'm just throwing it out there.

00:42:56.210 --> 00:42:57.856
Jesus Christ, we're whiners, yep.

00:42:58.490 --> 00:43:00.954
Listen, are you Minnesota buying this or what?

00:43:02.050 --> 00:43:03.815
I hope everyone has a fantastic week.

00:43:04.217 --> 00:43:06.101
Stay safe, stay healthy.

00:43:06.911 --> 00:43:08.898
I love you all, mwah.